visitorsinmanchester.com is pioneering an appeal to the authorities that issuing licences to open shisha lounges and bars and hopefully, the appeal will have the support of the newspapers in Manchester and the other 9 boroughs to be heard by the issuing authorities and the people in the communities. We are starting by conducting a survey to measure the people's representative ( The Councilors in the boroughs ) awareness of the danger and the future impact of the shisha smoking on the communities and the people in the area. The Councilors will be asked
The appeal will be updated to ban the shisha smoking in public and hope we will have the support.
1 - Do they think Shisha smoking can cause severe danger to the smokers and would have a negative impact on the NHS in the future.
2 - Do they support an appeal to stop the issue of licences to open Shisha lounges and bars ( No Licence is required )
3- Do they support Greater Manchester pioneering a campaign to stop Shisha smoking in public places.
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We have received very interesting replies from a few Councillors and here some :
One Councillor highlighted to us about the 5th of December debate in the parliament on regulating shisha smoking, which we found it excellent and a very interesting debate. We recommend reading it.
The debate was requested by Sabina Mahmood, MP asking to regulate the shisha smoking in the UK. The debates as we understand was triggered by social issues like noises, shisha smokers taking residents parking spaces and unaccepted social activities that started after the opening of the shisha lounges and bars in one area. These issues are of course of great concern to the residents in the area and The MP Sabina Mahmood took the initiative to work on introducing the regulations and of obtaining licences to open and run shisha smoking facility. Now one can extend business by adding shisha smoking facility without any consideration for health and fire risks, which is needed to be dealt with in addition to the social issues mentioned in the debate,
However, visitorsinmanchester.com has initiated an appeal and hoping to work with anyone interested to have the shisha smoking banned in public places for two reasons the 1st is the health risk to the people attracted to shisha bars and lounges, which will add additional source of illness to the NHS and further drain the resources in not very far future and the 2nd is the workers who provide the shishas to the customers and we think it is inappropriate if not cruel to have people working in this environment as we have explained. In addition of course, to what we have been mentioned in the debate is the social issues associated with shisha smoking in public. As we have mentioned in this site, some countries, what we call them less fortunate in Europe, have banned opening shisha smoking in the cities and town and one has to travel at least 10 miles on the motorway to find shisha smoking lounge.
“Please note we only objecting smoking shisha in public places and we believe that people are free to do what they like as long as what they do do not affect others in any sense, especially health .”
The debate also mentioned some point that we are not happy with or the people participated in the debate happy with, but we not,
We understand from the debate, that it is good for people who not drinking alcoholic drink by choice or religious reason to find shisha places to go instead of going to the bars where people drink alcohol.
We in visitorsinmanchester.com don’t feel happy that people who don't drink alcohol can go to shisha bars to spend the time and socialise, especially every time they invite a new friend he/she will be introduced to smoking.
In addition, it is not good ingredients to spend the night smoking the equivalent of 200 cigarets/hour, consume high calory sweets and may add to it a milkshake, which was mentioned in the debate, has the equivalent calories of 3 days diet. We rather see them go to ordinary bars and have a soft drink and socialise than going to shisha bars. No one in a bar will say sorry we don’t serve you if you order orange juice, Pepsi Cola or Coca Cola.
Also, we don’t feel happy to accept that people who don't drink are segregated from mainstream people, especially Muslims. There are enough segregations already, and we don’t want smoking shisha outings to add to it. We think whenever it is possible, none alcohol drinkers and alcohol drinkers should go together be it from work or where they live to drink or to eat and socialise. Again they don’t need to have alcohol. We have seen Muslims, none alcohol drinkers, go with their alcohol drinker friends without problems, but we must admit not many and that is probably because we do not know many Muslim friends who don’t drink. What we are trying to say, it is possible for alcohol drinkers and none alcohol drinkers to go out together, and they enjoy their outing, probably the none alcohol drinkers enjoy it more !!!! seeing their friends very merry.
We must add that people that don't drink alcohol are very popular with their alcohol drinker friends as they can drive when they go out and saving the bother of transport arrangement, especially when they go to more than one place. I remember a Muslim none alcohol drinker was very popular in the university hall of residence when we used to go out at night to bars and clubs and he used to take whoever comes or arrange it with him first to go to town, and when the 3 or 4 spare places he has in his car gone they gone.
We have sent emails to the MPs participated in the 5th of December debate in the parliament on regulating shisha smoking about our appeal to ban shisha smoking in public and
To Support that the Parliament should work on banning shisha smoking altogether,
If it is not for the sake of the young people who are attracted to the shisha places because of their availability.
If it is not for the sake of the workers who work in unhealthy conditions to provide the shisha to the customers.
to support banning the shisha in public places so the future governments not to give money to the NHS to deal with the diseases caused by shisha smoking. Please do it for the sake of NHS.
We are going to show you how many of the MPs support the ban as per the email we have sent, which is part of our campaign to ban shisha smoking in public.
We have this highlighted from a few Councillors :
” the average shisha-smoking session lasts about an hour and research by the World Health Organisation (WHO) reveals that 1 hour of shisha smoking can be as damaging as 100-200 cigarettes, perception that shisha smoking is not addictive because the water used in the pipe can absorb nicotine is incorrect since in reality only SOME of the nicotine is absorbed by the water so smokers are still exposed to enough nicotine to cause an addiction and so shisha is playing a role in encouraging people to take up cigarette smoking and fruit and herbal flavoured shisha still usually contain tobacco so again the perception that it is healthier is wrong. Even if you use tobacco-free shisha you are still at risk from the carbon monoxide and any carcinogenic toxins generated by the coal or charcoal used to burn the shisha. “
Thanks, Councillors for bring this
World Health Organisation (WHO) reveals that 1 hour of shisha smoking can be as damaging as 100-200 cigarettes,
When we read this before the Councillors sent it to us, we thought it can not be true !! Why no one has done anything about shisha smoking if this is true. Why we have shisha smoking places all over the places.
We have on our site this :
" a typical one-hour shisha smoking session is the equivalent of inhaling the smoke of 10s of cigarettes. "
Which is true and without the shocking and horrifying figure of 100 to 200 cigarettes also, we didn’t want to look like scaremongering people to make them believe in what we say!!. The question is these figures are available and it must have been seen by the government or anyone responsible, why they haven’t done anything about it. We have seen the government spending a lot of money to educate people not to smoke ( if the adverts we see on TV are government ads ) while the beast, the mother of all smoke harming, is coming and they do nothing about it, Why we wait till the problem is too big to start solving it.
1 hour of shisha smoking can be as damaging as 100-200 cigarettes, Does The Government or the responsible authority needs to know any more information to ban shisha smoking altogether.
One Councillor feedback was :
" Government needs to give licensing powers over Shisha bars to Local Authorities. Therefore we would support any appeals to stop any shisha bars from opening. "
Please write to us if you do not agree with what we say or if you have any comment.
Please come back to see the update soon.
Please note this page going to be restructured after receiving the comments, please accept the page as it is, for now. At least it shows that we are transparent.
Update February 14, Happy Valentine's Day To Everyone
We have received replies from some Councillors in Greater Manchester, not many. Very a few but interesting and useful responses that open our eyes, as people say, to things we didn’t know. At least this time is much better than when contact them in April last year regarding the issue of women rights only two replies received as per the following link https://visitorsin.com/index.php/women-rights
However, we haven’t received any reply to the email in this link https://visitorsin.com/index.php/mps-email2 sent to MPs participated in the shisha smoking debate on January 31, not a single response.
Thanks to the councillors who sent the replies. For the councillors who didn't reply and also for the MPs participated in the debate, we say that we understand the concern and you are busy, and it is maybe for different reasons and we have to follow a different path.
Our original intention was to appeal to Greater Manchester local councillors and hence appealing to the councils to stop issuing shisha smoking lounges and ban shisha smoking in public and to contact Manchester Evening News and the local newspapers and ask them for support to our appeal and make people aware of the danger of the shisha smoking. Soon after we started we learnt that the local councils are not responsible for the issue of the licences and in fact, shisha smoking lounges do not need a licence to open shisha lounge/bar as there are no regulations from the central government / the parliament as we have learnt from the shisha smoking debate. The no regulation of the shisha smoking in public has victimised the local governments and sometimes it is a liability on the councils to see shisha smoking opening without regulation.
Thus as we found out that this issue is a national and not a local, we thought to send email to every MP to appeal to them to support banning shisha smoking in public in addition to the newspapers. But after the negative feedback and not receiving any response from MPs who participated in the debate and whom we thought they are interested in solving the shisha smoking problem, we thought it is not useful to extend it beyond the MPs involved in the discussion.
Instead, We decided we appeal to the parties whose MPs participated in the debate to see if the parties and the parties members and porters agree with the ban and that is if we can reach them by email or social media
The Newspapers - We hope they will join us for the interest of the people and we think politicians will hear them ( even without the hearing aids ) Our intention was and still after receiving the feedback to contact and lobby the newspapers for support and work on banning the shisha smoking in public and to start with Manchester Evening News.
We shall continue to update you on the subject. We know as long as we don't stop, it doesn't matter, even if we are slow in our quest we will get there.
In the meantime, We have a question here,
How many people in the community have suffered or going to suffer from shisha smoking diseases between the time that your MP heard about the danger of shisha smoking and the action taken to do anything about it? Please write to your MP, if you support the ban on shisha smoking in public places and appeal to them to support banning shisha smoking in public places. Our voice no matter how loud we try is not going to be heard, and that is why we want you, the public, and the newspapers involve.
However, we hope that the newspaper will not split in this issue according to whoever they support and for whatever reason(s), this is not Brexit to split people, this is public health and safety and the NHS.
Our aim to have public awareness day on the May 1st and of course we can not do it without your support, the newspapers and the media.
Update: Tweeted to the following regarding the ban of shisha smoking in public places but no comments to update you with
Let us try to make First Of May
Public Awareness Day Of The Danger Of Shisha Smoking In Public Places.